Monday, May 11, 2009

The Janome 6600 Sewing Machine Saga

So, Emily and a couple of other people off-line have asked how I chose the sewing machine I posted about a couple of posts ago. I started this post as a response to Emily's comment, but it was super long, so I decided to make my sewing machine buying saga it's very own post. Feel free to ignore the rest of this if you have no interest in the various intricacies of sewing machines and sewing machine purchases. Without further ado, here's a not-so-quick summary of how I ended up with my Janome 6600.

When I started looking for a new sewing machine, I had no idea what was available. I had used 3 machines in my life: my mother's excellent Kenmore, the Brother machine my mother bought me for Christmas when I was in college and an industrial Singer my mother gave me when I passed the Brother machine onto my little sister (are we sensing a theme here? My mom rocks.). I started looking for a new machine, fully expecting to buy a mechanical Kenmore, Brother or Singer. I had only ever used mechanical machines so I didn't have a clue what computerized machines could do. I tried a computerized machine for the first time at JoAnne's, while looking at the Singer machines and decided I'd buy a computerized machine.

Deciding to buy a computerized machine opened up all sorts of previously unknown features and options, so I started researching every brand of sewing machine I could think of. After looking at and reading about a bunch of machines online and comparing the many features and prices, I decided I wanted to spend enough money to get a machine I would use for many, many years; this meant I bought a machine that has more features than I use right now, but I am hoping to grow into my machine, rather than out of it.

I also set a price limit right away; it quickly became apparent that you could spend thousands of dollars on a computerized sewing machine. I, obviously, do not have thousands of dollars so I set a pretty conservative price limit.

After my initial research, I limited my search to the main quilting brands (because that is what I wanted to do with my machine) so I looked at Pfaff, Bernina, BabyLoc, Viking (Husqvarna), Brother and Elna. I ruled out Singer and a couple of other brands because they were really garment sewing machines that had been "converted" to quilting machines (mostly this meant someone in marketing had added "quilt" to the name of the machine). I also wanted a machine that much more experienced quilters than myself had used for a while and liked. I made a rather extensive list of machines to actually go and try by doing a google search of the brand names and "review"; there are tons of people out there who post really detailed reviews of their machines (I really liked the website patternreview.com for this purpose).

I immediately eliminated Bernina because the cheapest quilting machine was way out of my price range. I didn't like the feel of the BabyLoc, Brother or Elna; they didn't feel very sturdy or well made (hundreds,maybe thousands, of people will be outraged that I say that, but that's what I thought. Feel free to disagree. :-) )Vikings have recently gotten terrible reviews online, so those were also out.

So, that left,basically, the Pfaff and Janome. Quilters rave about both brands and both have long term reputations for excellent quality. Both brands have a line of machines designed specifically for quilters and the machines in these lines have a huge harp (the space between the motor block where the controls usually are and the needle). I like this because it leaves a lot of space to manipulate quilts while piecing and free motion quilting (sewing free form patterns,rather than straight lines). Both also have a feature that will feed the fabric from the top and bottom rather than only from the bottom, which is pretty important when you sew thick fabrics (like terry cloth, denim or flannel) or quilts. I tried the Pfaff Quilt Expression 4.0 and thought it was the machine for me.

I bought the Pfaff and IMMEDIATELY hated it (seriously, ask Isaac, I was nearly in tears). The thread mechanism was super fussy and quilting, even with thin batting, created HUGE knots. Also, the control features for choosing the stitch pattern, changing the size etc... were not very intuitive. It was, from the first minute I tried it, an absolute disaster. So, I returned it, did some more research and decided to try the Janome 6600P. I went back to the Janome dealer 3 times (after the Pfaff disaster I wanted to be really, really sure I liked the machine) and finally bought the machine.

It is fantastic. It is the only machine I tried that has an all metal casing (which makes it rather heavy, but also incredibly sturdy). It has nearly 200 stitch patterns and using the different patterns is super easy. The patterns can be adjusted for size and the machine can be programmed to perform various sequences of stitches. It also has a separate bobbin winding motor, which I haven't needed, but is rather handy and incredibly fast. The machine is also built to accept large thread cones, which is nice for quilting since quilting requires a great deal of thread. My most favorite thing is the start/stop button (most computerized machines have one). I don't have to use a foot pedal; I can control the machine with a button and the speed slider on the front of the machine. I can sew super slow for curves and as fast as I want for straight lines; the slider holds a perfectly steady spead. It. Rocks.

As you probably guessed, I love the Janome. I've sewn a bunch of projects and haven't had any trouble at all. It is also significantly less expensive than the Pfaff (but still kind of pricey; especially compared to a machanical machine). The one thing I don't have with the Janome is a free arm, but my Singer machine has one, so I use the Singer for sleeves and hemming and such and use the Janome for everything else.

Also, the most important thing I discovered while shopping for my machine is to go to a sewing machine dealer and actually sew on the machines. Even if you are looking at a lower-end mechanical machine, go to a dealer and try a bunch of different kinds. I was able to rule out many different models just by using them for a couple minutes. Don't just rely on the dealer demo; bring some fabric (anything you would sew often on your new machine) and try it out on the machines. Also, at a good dealer you should get at least one free class on how to use your machine. Most importantly, at a good dealer you should be able to negotiate on the price. Whatever the dealer initially quotes you is usually high (just like buying a car!), so google reviews of the machine you are thinking about and read what others have paid and the accessories they got with the machine. For example; my machine was significantly less than the list price and I got the brand name sewing table that fits my machine and free classes included in the price, along with 20% off all my future purchases in the store for ever and ever. :-) Lots of people also ask for, and get, extra presser feet, extra classes, bobbins etc...

So, for the 3 of you who have asked, that's how I bought my sewing machine. :-) And, for the rest of you; you have now recieved a totally free and unsolicited "How to Buy a Sewing Machine" tutorial. You're welcome.

14 comments:

McEuens said...

Wow.

BloggingBills said...

Fabulous. How about you move back in with us and I use your machine?

Dare I ak what 'a bit pricey' is?

MA

Morgan Hagey said...

Holy cow. That is crazy. I.hate.my.sewing.machine.

but I have no money. It's a real problem.

Joan J said...

Hi - Just lucked out and found your blog and post about purchasing a sewing machine. I wonder if you'd be interested in posting this same article (edited just a bit) on my "Quilting on a Budget" blog? Contact me via email Qmail AT cinci dot rr dot com and we can talk. Good article!

The Wolford Family said...

Erin you got NOTICED!!! How funny I say you post your 'article'

Emily said...

Hey, thanks for writing all this! I feel special. You made some excellent points, so thank you. I know I need to do some serious research. I have already forgotten the name for the space between the foot and the machine base, but that's one thing I know I need more of, because for thick projects I find myself shoving all the fabric in, and that is NOT a recipe for success. I plan to reread this a lot as I get into it. Though, honestly, I was sold on your machine. Clearly you did your research, so maybe now I don't need to. Haha. I know, I know, it's important to try it out yourself.

I heard rumor of a machine that regulates stitch length for free motion quilting... how has yours been for that? I tried but could not for the life of me get even stitches and was yanking the fabric so some would be practically on top of each other and the next stitch was 1/4 inch long. Very frustrating. That quilt is now in the closet. Undone, of course.

Erin said...

Hi Emily-that machine you heard rumors about is a Bernina. Bernina machines have "BSR" (Bernina stitch regulator). This can, I am told, help with free motion quilting, but it also makes the Bernina machines really expensive.
I have found (and this is based on my fairly limited free motion experience) that you can solve most problems by 1. using a free motion quilting foot and 2. being really carefull about the tension. The Janome actually has a special bobbin, with preset tension for FMQ that is supposed to keep the thread from jumping stiches and knotting up. I haven't used the new bobbin, but I also haven't had any problems FMQ without it. I tend to sew really, really slowly if I am doing FMQ.
It is also really important to lower the feed dogs on your machine, before you start FMQ. I, somehow, missed this tiny detail the first time i tried it and I felt like I was wrestling with the fabric. Needless to say, my work did not turn out quite as well as I had hoped. :-)
There is also a machine called a Fab-u-motion (totally lame name if you ask me) that attaches to most sewing machines and also regulates the stiches. It looks, basically, like a large extension table set on casters, so you can move the fabric really easily. I have talked to a few people who have used it and most love it. It is made by Pfaff and, like all Pfaff products, is pretty expensive.
Once again, this is probably much more information than you really wanted. Sorry. I spent weeks immersed in all things sewing machines....

Emily said...

Hey, all your research is helping me so I think it's great! With my current machine I can't lower the feed dogs, which is frustrating. There's a little plastic cover that I can put over it, but of course that then further limits my small space between the pressure foot and the base. I did buy the special foot for it, but I just did terribly. I think free motion looks fantastic, so I'd love to be able to do it... I probably just need to practice a lot more to make it work.

I'm afraid that all the ideas I have equal an expensive machine, and I have a hard time justifying buying such a thing... and I think my husband would think I were nuts if I said I wanted a thousand dollar sewing machine. HA! Plus I'm afraid I wouldn't use all the features to their full extent so it'd be a waste. I'm tempted to just get a more sturdy basic machine and leave it at that for now. We'll see. Thanks again for all your input. :)

I just reread your response and had another question. I'm sorry I'm using you as my personal tutor here... With FMQ should you loosen or tighten the tension? I don't really understand tension in different instances, honestly, and it doesn't help that mine is so weird with it. (Though I think I just figured out a way to somewhat fix it; I can now feel when I'm threading it if it is catching right, but I can't figure out what I'm doing differently each time.)

JanetD said...

Thanks for your info on your Janome 6600. My Singer that my husband bought me 31 years ago when we got married has finally died and I'm considering that one. I've just recently gotten into quilting and am planning to do much more of it. I love the larger area on the Janome for machine quilting- the projects I did on my old machine made me crazy, wrestling with the fabric to get it through! So I'm happy to hear that you love your machine. I thought my husband would croak when I told him the price, but he knows how much I love to sew and thinks it's okay! I love that man. So thanks for the info. I love your blog by the way- it's so cute!

Anonymous said...

Thank you, that was very valuable to me. I'm in the market for a decent machine I can learn to quilt on and also make some garments for my grown up daughters. I have my eye on the 6600p and your review has pretty much clinched it for me.
Did you expect them to give you a refund on the machine you returned or were you unsure? I don't know if they'd do that here in Australia.
Cheers, Mal from Cessnock AU

Erin said...

Hi Mal-
Sorry for the delayed response. I've been moving and it's been crazy!
When I returned the Pfaff, I actually had to be very forceful about a refund and ended up having to speak to the owner of the store to make it happen. The sales representative had misrepresented some of the features of the machine, so I was able to use that fact as a bit of "leverage" when insisting on a full refund. Most dealers will not actually give a refund (at least in the US) and will instead insist on an exchange for a new model. If the dealer had refused to refund the full purchase price, I would have sold the Pfaff using a classified services and then purchased a different machine. I hope you enjoy your new machine and your sewing adventures!
-Erin

sewsuesew said...

Hi Erin, I have a Janome MC 6600p and I mostly love it. I also have a LG quilt frame that I can put my Janome on and use it as a long arm. I have quilted several quilts and now I am thinking about buying a stitch regulator so that my stitches will be more consistent. Do you have any thoughts on this idea. The person at the shop where I bought my machine said it should work well but I don't want to do anything that will mess my machine up. Plus the stitch regulator costs $500. Thanks, Sue

Nita said...

Hi,
I am researching this machine as an option. Now that the 7700 has been out awhile, and now the 8900 is out, do you still use your 6600? I am thinking that it will me more than sufficient for me and that I can also afford it easier then the 7700 or 8900... And maybe I can get a used one on a trade in.

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